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Topic started: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:19
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Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:19
Metacritic apparently uses the following conversion scale. A or A+: 100, A-: 91, B+: 83, B: 75, B-: 67, C+: 58, C: 50, C-: 42, D+: 33, D: 25, D-: 16, F+: 8, F or F-: 0. Which seems like a huge leap between A and A- and where the hell did E go?
Just based on six letters with +/- modifiers making 18 scores and 17 equal intervals and rounding off rather than up or down, I'd say A+: 100, A: 94, A-: 88, B+: 82, B: 76, B-: 71, C+: 65, C: 59, C-: 53, D+: 47, D: 41, D-: 35, E+: 29, E: 24, E-: 18, F+: 12, F: 6, F-: 0. But that is a purely mathematical approach.
You see the confusion that can occur? It did and we got emails about it. Oh boy did we get emails about it. So we moved to a %age system and now we get emails about it. Oh boy do we ... you know the rest! :-)
Just based on six letters with +/- modifiers making 18 scores and 17 equal intervals and rounding off rather than up or down, I'd say A+: 100, A: 94, A-: 88, B+: 82, B: 76, B-: 71, C+: 65, C: 59, C-: 53, D+: 47, D: 41, D-: 35, E+: 29, E: 24, E-: 18, F+: 12, F: 6, F-: 0. But that is a purely mathematical approach.
You see the confusion that can occur? It did and we got emails about it. Oh boy did we get emails about it. So we moved to a %age system and now we get emails about it. Oh boy do we ... you know the rest! :-)
Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:20
E is dropped because its sometimes used for Excellent...
Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:51
PreciousRoi wrote:
E is dropped because its sometimes used for Excellent...
And (in exams) A is sometimes used for "absent". F is used for "fail". Removing E from an A-E score because it could mean excellent is frankly, ridiculous. D could mean "dead good", C could mean "crap", B could mean "b******s".
A to E! It's not hard folks.
Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:45
DoctorDee wrote:
Removing E from an A-E score because it could mean excellent is frankly, ridiculous.
It's worse than that, they removed E fro an A-F scale!
Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:48
PreciousRoi wrote:
I hardly think a UK site is gonna go for a system whose rationalization is based on a US school grading standard.
While this initially seems like the logical answer theres a tad be more to it. In my time assisting at SPOnG it has been a constant headache being a "British" site. Besides MS, and even they do it on occasion, no one puts any thought to the UK press. It's usually faster to import a game for review than it is to actually wait and get your review copy before the game launches. At big international events like E3 we have to deal with the UK pr but the US pr doesn't even want to deal with them so try as they might half the time they can't manage to get anything done because even within their own company they are treated as second class. I personally have been of the opinion that the location of the main office should be down played as much as possible. It's a shame that 'spong' is not a term understood outside of the UK (maybe australia? tim?) but on the upside people like myself (america-jin) will just assume it's just supposed to 'sound cool' and not associate it with anything British. The site ends in a '.com', and no where on it does it say 'bloody good video game news' so why pigeon hole yourselves? If news happens in the EU and Kotaku calls up scee, you think they don't get a response? Now reverse that scenario, where's the good in it?
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Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:53
tyrion wrote:
It's worse than that, they removed E fro an A-F scale!
I really don't see it like that. I see that they removed E from A-E, and replaced it with F. Rather than they started with A-F and removed E.
Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:42
In my own limited experience it was in Catholic grade school where they used the E for Excellent.
Another possible reason for dropping the E is it being too easy to make an F into an E.
Its not the dumbest or most unreasonable thing I've seen in the American education system.
41% being a passing grade...just seems wrong...if you got anything under a 70% you had problems...a 68% was ugly.
I know if my doctor brags about getting top marks in Medical School I bloody well hope he got better than a 71% in Anatomy!
WikiPedia wrote:
Here is a common example of an American quality index, showing letter grade, qualitative definition, and correlative quantitative value:
A = Excellent or Superior; or top 10% (90 to 100) = 4.0
B = Above Average; or second 10% (80-89) = 3.0
C = Average; or third 10% (70-79) = 2.0
D = Below average, minimum passing grade (60-69); or fourth 10% = 1.0
E/F (or any of a number of other symbols) = Failure or Exceptionally Poor; or bottom 60% (0-59) = 0.0
Percentage ranges may vary from one school to another. In some schools like those in Virginia Beach public schools use the 7-point grade system where the grades are given as follows: 100-94A, 93-86B, 85-78C, 77-70D, and 69 and below is failing, (E) Or like that in Fairfax County, Virginia,100-94 A, 93-90 B+, 89-84 B, 83-80 C+, 79-74 C, 70-73 D+, 69-64 D, anything below a 64 F. In some schools, these ranges may even vary from one class to another. Many schools add .5 to the value of an AP class if a student takes the AP test (thus, an A would be a 4.5, a B would be a 3.5, etc). In California and many other states, taking an AP class adds a full point to the course's grade.
Whether the failing grade is F or E typically depends on time and geography. Some states, but not many, have tended to favor E since World War II while the majority of the country tends to use F. Ultimately, the grade F traces to the days of two-point grading as Pass (P) and Fail (F).
A = Excellent or Superior; or top 10% (90 to 100) = 4.0
B = Above Average; or second 10% (80-89) = 3.0
C = Average; or third 10% (70-79) = 2.0
D = Below average, minimum passing grade (60-69); or fourth 10% = 1.0
E/F (or any of a number of other symbols) = Failure or Exceptionally Poor; or bottom 60% (0-59) = 0.0
Percentage ranges may vary from one school to another. In some schools like those in Virginia Beach public schools use the 7-point grade system where the grades are given as follows: 100-94A, 93-86B, 85-78C, 77-70D, and 69 and below is failing, (E) Or like that in Fairfax County, Virginia,100-94 A, 93-90 B+, 89-84 B, 83-80 C+, 79-74 C, 70-73 D+, 69-64 D, anything below a 64 F. In some schools, these ranges may even vary from one class to another. Many schools add .5 to the value of an AP class if a student takes the AP test (thus, an A would be a 4.5, a B would be a 3.5, etc). In California and many other states, taking an AP class adds a full point to the course's grade.
Whether the failing grade is F or E typically depends on time and geography. Some states, but not many, have tended to favor E since World War II while the majority of the country tends to use F. Ultimately, the grade F traces to the days of two-point grading as Pass (P) and Fail (F).
Another possible reason for dropping the E is it being too easy to make an F into an E.
Its not the dumbest or most unreasonable thing I've seen in the American education system.
41% being a passing grade...just seems wrong...if you got anything under a 70% you had problems...a 68% was ugly.
I know if my doctor brags about getting top marks in Medical School I bloody well hope he got better than a 71% in Anatomy!
Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:43
DoctorDee wrote:
BIG wrote:
bs review. this person was looking for something bad about this game and didnt find it. it's cool to hate on ps3 games now days cuz it'll get the site more hits. Uncharted deserves 9+.
Since when was 86% "hating"? This review seems to have annoyed all the children and fanboys who think every PS3 game deserves 97%. It's a positive review that is realistic about the game's limitations. I've played it and finished it, it was too short and the puzzles were too easy. But then, the puzzles were probably way too difficult for the morons who've posted here.
But since none of the bitches have the guts not to post anonymously, I think we can fairly safely ignore what they have to say.
What a TiT ! all future games will be a rip off as is the music industry ! This is life ! I have the game and it is worthy of the praise received and amercian t**ts need to stop dissin jap ps3 lets face it the xbox 360 is a pile of crap that breaks down n the games suck!
Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:41
whadda ya know, another anonymous t**t...
Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:02
just me! wrote:
What a TiT ! all future games will be a rip off as is the music industry ! This is life ! I have the game and it is worthy of the praise received and amercian t**ts need to stop dissin jap ps3 lets face it the xbox 360 is a pile of crap that breaks down n the games suck!
OK, so you don't know how to quote properly. And it's impossible to tell if you are responding to my point, or to the post I was responding to. You refer to Americans as t**ts, and then immediately use a word from their idiom. You say that the game is "worthy of the praise received" but you are not specific about whether you mean the praise received in our review, which is what this forum is about, or the praise received elsewhere, which was in places unnecessarily effusive. You say that "American t**ts" need to "stop dissing" the PS3, but we are not American, and the point being made is that we were implicitly criticising the PS3 by giving Uncharted the score it deserves, rather than pretending it is a 90% + game.
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You can't cater to the anti-preferences of everyone, or indeed anyone...you have to rate the game on its merits. I might not have the deep emotional attachment to Mario that some have, but that doesn't mean I would expect a game review to subtract points from a review of Super Mario Galaxy on my account. That way lies madness.